I think a large part of the hatred of India comes from a disdain towards lower socioeconomic classes. A lot of the things people hate about India are attributes exclusive to people who are poor, uneducated, and powerless (lower caste). I mean, if you don't have running plumbing, where the hell else are you gonna shit?
We generally hate all people who are poor, I mean how on Earth is "Africans don't have food" a joke? Like regardless of its truth, how is that even a joke? HAHA you're poor and suffering LOSER!
We have great contempt towards Indians because they're so poor, but ironically they're a growing superpower. We don't really hate Ethiopians because the country of Ethiopia isn't as powerful in a Western lens.
There's also the great disparity between India's top and bottom. Culturally, ambition, boldness, and achievement are well-respected attributes, so you have a very strong academic workforce, similar to China, but India doesn't have an economy to capitalize on that talent that China does. If you're a well-educated Chinese you can get a job in a Chinese industry, but if you're an Indian genius, it's way more profitable to go to America than stay in India. That creates a great brain drain that handicaps India, but also creates a massive influx of talented, driven Indians who are more attractive to business owners than domestic talent. Even if the Indians aren't talented, they can compete on wages, because western society is so much more luxurious than back home, they'll accept slave wages.
I think there's a variety of features that make Indian hatred so strong. First, there's a strong sense of colourism—we hate Indian's dark skin more than say a Chinese person. Moreover, there's the great diversity in India, so you can mutate your stereotype of an Indian to whatever you want by accessing any attribute. Indians can be both hyper-driven and lazy, meek and loud, uncivilized and overeducated.
I think people need a punching bag, and India has been perfect for that because of their great visibility (compared to China, which has been more insular) and because it's less popular to punch down on Black people or East-Asians any more, Indians are a perfect punching bag because they're the newest entry to the American hegemony.
I think it'll be only a few more years before liberals start to consider Indian hatred an actionable problem, but that will only occur as more South-Asians get accepted into the voting bloc, and even then it'll be an uphill battle.
Thanks for the comment, Wasay. I think you're right to bring up class as the key lens we can view this through. That really applies to a lot of relationships between the developed world and the global south. Speaks to a certain chauvinism. We can feel better about exploiting the labor and natural resources of these poor regions of the world if we think of their inhabitants as dull and undeserving.
Definitely. They're in the same genre at least. I think the key difference is the character of the nation itself. Obviously there's a lot of China hate online but you have more positive portrayals as well, especially in the areas of national infrastructure and online culture. Even the China Hawks (the less rabid ones at least) seem to regard it with some respect.
Yeah, I mean it’s certainly different and stems more from people’s ambient understanding of their governments. People love to yell about the Chinese government even when they are doing something fairly reasonable that westerners just don’t have the context for. Then that extends to complaining about Chinese tourists or claiming “Confucianism has made Chinese people blindly follow authority” (just saw that discourse on r/China this week). Meanwhile people in the west don’t seem to have any problems with the Indian government despite its myriad of problems, and their attitude toward Indians seems to be one of condescension, like “oh those poor people trying to pull themselves up by their bootstraps to escape the caste system.”
I’ll admit these thoughts might be coming from a personal experience visiting a relative a few weeks ago who spent the whole time glowingly praising the local Indian culture but was hyper-critical of Chinese culture whenever it came up. It was weird.
I would disagree that China Hawks respect Chinese infrastructure developments though- they love to point at the Chinese style of development where buildings are left unfinished for long periods of times, and they’ll claim the new infrastructure is all flimsy and dangerous. Obviously it’s cope since the US infrastructure development has been stagnant for decades now.
Eh. I'm not anti Indian per se. But I'm black, work in tech, and have historically gotten more racism from Indians than from white people. This happened in Africa, the UK and now in the US.
I've also had other friends - black tech workers - who quickly found themselves undesired when management changed from white to Indian. There's definitely a signal here that needs to be handled.
Of course, minds and experience are biased, and humans vary within populations, so this isn't necessarily the whole truth.
Perhaps over time, the US culture will prevail. Or assist. But I think as usual black people will noti
indian culture has somehow, in its isolation, developed into the antithesis of 99% of every other countries cultural values. impressive in and of itself
I think it's a few things, but oversaturation is probably number 1. Many western countries have had an enormous influx of Indian people over the last decade, and it went from ' yay Apu and Ganesh is cool' to 'there is way too many of you guys'. Left leaning types are simply rationalism a rising fear.
Another thing is despite outwards appearances via language etc, India has a very different cultuel to the west, moreso than China. East Asians and westerners actually have a lot in common regarding cultural mores, hence why Japan/Singapore/Hong Kong so easily adopted almsot the entirety of western cultural and business practices so susscefully. Indians are different to a similar extent that many middle eastern people's are different, and its simple human nature to be more wary of greater differences.
East Asians are legit smart people. Blacks aren't smart but they're athletic and good with music so they have plenty of people who like them. Whites are the status quo on the planet so people won't hate them. People worldwide do not like dark skin including in India. Even paler skin Indians do not like darker skin Indians. Now mix the hate that blacks get despite being really talented in the media and subtract the good qualities about blacks and you get much more harsh hatred for blacks. Even though far right people openly do not like black people. Many white people have a jealousy and almost fascination towards black bodies and musical gifts. This is something that Indians lack but a good chunk of them have similar skin tones to blacks. Its the same with groups like Somalis. They're also black but without the good black stereotypes
There was a time when people didn't like anything about Black People either. America give them a door to grow their entertainment industry. The same thing will take time for Indians, the same way it did for Black Americans. And wdym East Asians are legit smart people when they can't even beat Indian kids in spelling bee completions.
Spelling bees are the eptimone of useless nerd qualities. You can't do anything memorizing the whole dictionary but work for Webster in the future. Spelling bees do not promote critical thinking or anything that might benefit society as a whole. East Asians dominate math olympiad and science olympiad too. These types of competition are the core basis for innovation in the future. You don't invent television, phones and cars with memorizing useless words. You invent them with understanding mathematical concepts and how science works. Spelling bees are basically the nerd version of Cricket for Indians. Spelling bees produce no inventors and Cricket produces no physical athletes.
fucking tremendous article. i've noticed a growing increase in disdain towards indians from friends, but I'm just unable to articulate how sinister their disdain really is. but you do an amazing job of explaining this whole phenomenon.
What’s telling to me is that second Gen Indians who are culturally indistinguishable from US raised children do not have these problems. Knew many of these types of guys in high school and people loved them, but their parents always came off as complete assholes from the stories you’d hear.
Name me an Indian who is second generation playing in the NFL, NBA or boxing?
Indians don't understand that on a basic ground level, human beings are interactive and physical creatures. Its hard for Indians to be liked if their bodies can't keep up with modern American kids who are highly involved in after school sports whether its basketball for blacks, soccer for Latinos or suburban whites, American football for everybody. Also Indians tend to hold tight to their cuisine that seems to have odor issues according to a wider concensus of people.
What fucking stupid logic is that? There's racism against Indians because they are nerds and don't play American games?? You're literally just finding reasons to justify that racism. Please leave this conversation for actual adults.
1) hothouse cram school Asian culture that has proven to be a failure.
Asia has way lower gdp per capita (and not just China, the ones that have been capitalist a long time). OECD highest suicide rate. Apocalypse level TFR. Basically, Asian failed modernity.
At an aesthetic level, Vivek tweet example of worst thing to adopt as your elite culture.
2) India isn’t even East Asia.
India has average iq of 76. At least East Asians are high iq.
Canada, uk, and Australia all imported infinite paneers the last decade and turns out quantity up = quality down. Talent stack isn’t deep enough.
India is caste society with low social trust and high corruption. Importing that bad for society and bad for the Indian immigrant brand.
Indians west today would be smart to pull up ladder behind them.
There is no proof whatsoever of this silly quantity up quality down rhetoric. Immigrants has in general been the demographic least likely to do crimes and more likely to hold jobs compared to both natives in the country they immigrated to and the country they came from because immigration is a massive personality barrier, you have to be either really desperate to immigrate and hence more likely to not do anything that can jeopardize your immigration status or be very ambitious and possess the corresponding work ethic. Complaining about legal immigrations has always been nativist copium
2. America is a white built nation with some black involvement in the cultural parts. Indians have no hand in it. They're just immigrants reaping off the benefits of things already made. Those jobs that Indians work in were made by whites. Obviously they can get white people to do those same jobs but whites don't want to work as indentured paid workers. You benefit from black people too who started the civil rights act of 1965 that allowed Indians to migrate to America as well. You were not involved in the technological, political nor social reforms of American society. When Indians can make a nation and sustain it like white people in white nations or East Asians in East Asia do. Then you can claim to be legit smart people.
Indians hatred is honestly multilayered and it might be messed up but based on a analysis that I've seen from different sections of society. Indians seem to have a lot of bad stereotypes put together but rarely any good stereotypes that give them a distinction compared to others. Lets break it down, also people subconsciously know this and this is what messes Indians up
1. Indians are dark skin people, I would say they're the darkest people in the world next to black Africans and tribal people from Papua New Guinea. Dark skin is virtually viewed as unattractive all across the world. Yes some Indians can have pale skin, for example Nikki Haley is Indian and has pale skin but those are a 1% exception to the rule. I have seen more Middle Easterners and Latinos with pale skin than Indians from India. This benefits middle easterners because many negative stereotypes like misogyny is associated with middle easterners but they don't get remotely as much street hatred. Even after 2001, way more Indians were attacked being mistaken for middle easterners than middle easterners themselves.
2. Indian pagan culture, the western world and other worlds like the Islamic and even atheist Buddhist eastern world all think of pagan culture has backward and counterproductive. Even though Buddhism came from India. It was pushed out of India due to it being more equal rights centered as opposed to caste built Hindu culture. Many people did not like Vivek Ramaswamy for not just being very dark skin but also being a pagan Hindu. The voters mentioned all of this
3. Hygiene and average road stereotypes, prior to the 1990s, people had more positive views of India thanks to Bollywood movies. They saw a paler skinned Caucasian group of people dancing with Indian traditional clothes on in large open valleys and trees on their movie screens across the world excluding America that never liked Bollywood to begin with. However due to social media, the average Indian is now seen as a very dark skin, ungroomed, poor and poorly dressed, rapist predators. All of the rape cases of local women and even some foreign women being amplified by the western media. Add this with average street food videos of people with terrible hygiene and just making unappealing types of food and posting them online. Also Indians in America and even Canada have stereotypes of bad odor and not wearing deodorant. Indian women also get these hygiene issues stereotypes. Also Indians bathing in the sewer infested Ganges river does not help.
4. Scam culture, Indian scammers make up 80% of all worldwide scammers. Even people who visit India are in awe of everybody scamming from the most deprived homeless person all the way to governments in power. You can literally start your recording in any town in India and you would tons of very dark skin, ungroomed Indian scammers who wobble their heads and try to rip people off. Also Indians are also bringing their scam culture to the west too. Most of the world whether the west, East Asia, even Latin America and Africa have some levels of trust on the local level to get the job done but India literally has scams from every person to every alley way there.
5. Indian arrogance, I have never seen a nationality more filled with arrogance but with nothing to show for it than Indians. They will brag about the most mediocre things. So many Indians brag about Indian CEOs in America who are peanut level indentured servants to the real bosses in those companies. They brag about being CEOs in white made companies. They know how to talk through their heads like Vivek Ramaswamy does. Indians sure have a skill of taking words and twisting them to suit their objectives. If Indians were so smart we Indians claim they are. Then India would not be in such a terrible shape. Indians blame Indian politicians but those politicians according to many far right racial groups and even Winston Churchill are considered your genetic fabric. Winston Churchill even said that if you give power to Indians, they will talk through the roof like castles in the sky but show no results.
6. Indian population, Indians are the largest population in the world with the most polluted cities and tons of unemployment. This causes Indians to move out of India or at least try and generally speaking, the largest population of people will always be the most hated especially when they have nothing concrete or useful to offer.
7. Indian athleticism and bodies, Indians especially Hindus due to their lack of protein diets have stalled their full potential. America and the west are fitness or sports based cultures. People do not consider cricket as a legit sport. We have tons of Indians in America and even other western lands. You never find them in the NBA, NFL or even UFC and boxing. Even in the UK, despite Indians being generational, none are in football or boxing. You do find plenty of Pakistanis who border India in boxing like Adam Azim or Hamzah Sheeraz. Even during British rule in India, the British generally seperated Indian groups between martial races and sedentary lazy races. The British considered the Sikh Punjabis as generally the most physically able people in India at the time, which isn't saying much on a global stage.
8. Indian women, generally speaking, Indian women are not desired. You can just watch any "Which race would you not date" video, men tend to say no to Indian women all the time from many different races and nationalities. Richard Nixon even called Indian women as the most undesirable group of women and it was easy to be racist towards Indians because he did not find Indian women or Indians in general as attractive people. Richard Nixon even said "black African women aren't attractive but they have virility that Indian women lack". Its basically saying black women have curvy bodies and toned looks to them in general. People tend to be nicer to groups who have better looking women.
Overall Indians need put effort into eating more protein and also contributing back to India.
Indians mediocrity added with no substance and dark skin is the reason why Indians are hated in general.
Actually a good chunk of anti Indian hatred stems from Hindu pagan culture that promotes paganism and uncleanliness. Also Indians don't have any special or cool stereotypes to counter the bad ones. You claim India is a rising superpower. Nobody thinks this, they're overpopulated, China actually is the real rising superpower, just look at Shanghai and compare it to New Delhi for proof.
East Asians or Asians in general were never hated. They were just seen as feminine and physically weak or unathletic in the western media. They still are to an extent but they have many positive stereotypes like being legit smart and building world class infrastructure, also things like PlayStation, Toyota, Honda, anime, Samsung and Chinese food are popular in the west. Even martial arts is liked by many in the west.
Blacks are the opposite, but they're liked for their athletic and musical abilities
East Asians hatred stems from the COVID incident though but without any media or current issues pertaining to them. East Asians were never attacked as a whole. Even the Japanese internment camps were due to world war 2. However Indian hatred extends from nothing direct that has affected American society. Indians did not spread a virus. Indians were not at war with the west for anything. There is not concrete reason to hate Indians. The only possible explanation would be either that Indians are cheap labour taking American jobs or Indian culture is too foreign and different. A third option is obviously skin tone and Indians being basically dark skin and many times borderline black with straight hair. However in times of political cooperation and no outside influences. East Asians are liked and respected then for their culture, technology and life. They are stereotyped as introverted, not as physically athletic and many other stereotypes in relating to effemimacy, but they have never been historically hated without a reason. Many Twitter post said that they would accept 20,000 illegal Mexicans over 100 educated legal Indians any day.
Black people might not be liked by the far right sometimes but I have seen way more sympathy for blacks and even tolerance for blacks by the far right. You have to remember that blacks have stronger physical bodies on average compared to white people. Many whites know this by nature. When I say strong, I mean athlethic. Also black music dominates western airwaves. Black actors are liked across the world. Blacks are just not like for skin tone and facial features but they're heavily admired for their stronger bodies and dancing skills. Indians excluding the pale skin very small minority like Nikki Haley are generally as dark as black people but physically not as strong. Most people would say "Okay fine, Indians are dark skin and physically weaker, but at least they have a superpower country and a well developed civilization that is admired, wrong, India in terms of development is even worse than Africa. There is filth and hygiene issues across India and social media puts this center forward. A high civilization would be like Japan who produce great games, cars and shows. Indians are just stereotyped in the west as taking jobs for a cheaper price but giving no actual concrete contribution to the west in the fields of invention, culture, sports or music.
Trust me, Indian women being conventionally unattractive and prude is an add on to Indian hate. Mindy Kaling is not desired. She is loathed and seen as desperate. Same goes for Lily Singh. She is not seen as attractive either. Its really hard to make dark skin, hairy and rugged features seem feminine. Also aging bad is an issue for Indian women. Even Richard Nixon was the president of America had negative things to say about them. Now add this with bad hygiene and a odd culture.
I think a large part of the hatred of India comes from a disdain towards lower socioeconomic classes. A lot of the things people hate about India are attributes exclusive to people who are poor, uneducated, and powerless (lower caste). I mean, if you don't have running plumbing, where the hell else are you gonna shit?
We generally hate all people who are poor, I mean how on Earth is "Africans don't have food" a joke? Like regardless of its truth, how is that even a joke? HAHA you're poor and suffering LOSER!
We have great contempt towards Indians because they're so poor, but ironically they're a growing superpower. We don't really hate Ethiopians because the country of Ethiopia isn't as powerful in a Western lens.
There's also the great disparity between India's top and bottom. Culturally, ambition, boldness, and achievement are well-respected attributes, so you have a very strong academic workforce, similar to China, but India doesn't have an economy to capitalize on that talent that China does. If you're a well-educated Chinese you can get a job in a Chinese industry, but if you're an Indian genius, it's way more profitable to go to America than stay in India. That creates a great brain drain that handicaps India, but also creates a massive influx of talented, driven Indians who are more attractive to business owners than domestic talent. Even if the Indians aren't talented, they can compete on wages, because western society is so much more luxurious than back home, they'll accept slave wages.
I think there's a variety of features that make Indian hatred so strong. First, there's a strong sense of colourism—we hate Indian's dark skin more than say a Chinese person. Moreover, there's the great diversity in India, so you can mutate your stereotype of an Indian to whatever you want by accessing any attribute. Indians can be both hyper-driven and lazy, meek and loud, uncivilized and overeducated.
I think people need a punching bag, and India has been perfect for that because of their great visibility (compared to China, which has been more insular) and because it's less popular to punch down on Black people or East-Asians any more, Indians are a perfect punching bag because they're the newest entry to the American hegemony.
I think it'll be only a few more years before liberals start to consider Indian hatred an actionable problem, but that will only occur as more South-Asians get accepted into the voting bloc, and even then it'll be an uphill battle.
Thanks for the comment, Wasay. I think you're right to bring up class as the key lens we can view this through. That really applies to a lot of relationships between the developed world and the global south. Speaks to a certain chauvinism. We can feel better about exploiting the labor and natural resources of these poor regions of the world if we think of their inhabitants as dull and undeserving.
I think a lot of this could apply to American’s view of Chinese people as well.
Definitely. They're in the same genre at least. I think the key difference is the character of the nation itself. Obviously there's a lot of China hate online but you have more positive portrayals as well, especially in the areas of national infrastructure and online culture. Even the China Hawks (the less rabid ones at least) seem to regard it with some respect.
Yeah, I mean it’s certainly different and stems more from people’s ambient understanding of their governments. People love to yell about the Chinese government even when they are doing something fairly reasonable that westerners just don’t have the context for. Then that extends to complaining about Chinese tourists or claiming “Confucianism has made Chinese people blindly follow authority” (just saw that discourse on r/China this week). Meanwhile people in the west don’t seem to have any problems with the Indian government despite its myriad of problems, and their attitude toward Indians seems to be one of condescension, like “oh those poor people trying to pull themselves up by their bootstraps to escape the caste system.”
I’ll admit these thoughts might be coming from a personal experience visiting a relative a few weeks ago who spent the whole time glowingly praising the local Indian culture but was hyper-critical of Chinese culture whenever it came up. It was weird.
I would disagree that China Hawks respect Chinese infrastructure developments though- they love to point at the Chinese style of development where buildings are left unfinished for long periods of times, and they’ll claim the new infrastructure is all flimsy and dangerous. Obviously it’s cope since the US infrastructure development has been stagnant for decades now.
Eh. I'm not anti Indian per se. But I'm black, work in tech, and have historically gotten more racism from Indians than from white people. This happened in Africa, the UK and now in the US.
I've also had other friends - black tech workers - who quickly found themselves undesired when management changed from white to Indian. There's definitely a signal here that needs to be handled.
Of course, minds and experience are biased, and humans vary within populations, so this isn't necessarily the whole truth.
Perhaps over time, the US culture will prevail. Or assist. But I think as usual black people will noti
There are no solutions. Just tradeoffs.
Appreciate your candor. Thanks for stopping by to say your piece.
indian culture has somehow, in its isolation, developed into the antithesis of 99% of every other countries cultural values. impressive in and of itself
Basically pagan culture
I think it's a few things, but oversaturation is probably number 1. Many western countries have had an enormous influx of Indian people over the last decade, and it went from ' yay Apu and Ganesh is cool' to 'there is way too many of you guys'. Left leaning types are simply rationalism a rising fear.
Another thing is despite outwards appearances via language etc, India has a very different cultuel to the west, moreso than China. East Asians and westerners actually have a lot in common regarding cultural mores, hence why Japan/Singapore/Hong Kong so easily adopted almsot the entirety of western cultural and business practices so susscefully. Indians are different to a similar extent that many middle eastern people's are different, and its simple human nature to be more wary of greater differences.
Yeah volume is a key factor. The transition from an exotic curiosity to an actual demographic is often messy.
East Asians are legit smart people. Blacks aren't smart but they're athletic and good with music so they have plenty of people who like them. Whites are the status quo on the planet so people won't hate them. People worldwide do not like dark skin including in India. Even paler skin Indians do not like darker skin Indians. Now mix the hate that blacks get despite being really talented in the media and subtract the good qualities about blacks and you get much more harsh hatred for blacks. Even though far right people openly do not like black people. Many white people have a jealousy and almost fascination towards black bodies and musical gifts. This is something that Indians lack but a good chunk of them have similar skin tones to blacks. Its the same with groups like Somalis. They're also black but without the good black stereotypes
There was a time when people didn't like anything about Black People either. America give them a door to grow their entertainment industry. The same thing will take time for Indians, the same way it did for Black Americans. And wdym East Asians are legit smart people when they can't even beat Indian kids in spelling bee completions.
Spelling bees are the eptimone of useless nerd qualities. You can't do anything memorizing the whole dictionary but work for Webster in the future. Spelling bees do not promote critical thinking or anything that might benefit society as a whole. East Asians dominate math olympiad and science olympiad too. These types of competition are the core basis for innovation in the future. You don't invent television, phones and cars with memorizing useless words. You invent them with understanding mathematical concepts and how science works. Spelling bees are basically the nerd version of Cricket for Indians. Spelling bees produce no inventors and Cricket produces no physical athletes.
fucking tremendous article. i've noticed a growing increase in disdain towards indians from friends, but I'm just unable to articulate how sinister their disdain really is. but you do an amazing job of explaining this whole phenomenon.
Thank you boss. Much obliged for the sub. Will do what I can to maintain the established standard of "fucking tremendous."
Great article!
Thanks boss. Appreciate the sub. Happy to have you along for the ride.
What’s telling to me is that second Gen Indians who are culturally indistinguishable from US raised children do not have these problems. Knew many of these types of guys in high school and people loved them, but their parents always came off as complete assholes from the stories you’d hear.
Name me an Indian who is second generation playing in the NFL, NBA or boxing?
Indians don't understand that on a basic ground level, human beings are interactive and physical creatures. Its hard for Indians to be liked if their bodies can't keep up with modern American kids who are highly involved in after school sports whether its basketball for blacks, soccer for Latinos or suburban whites, American football for everybody. Also Indians tend to hold tight to their cuisine that seems to have odor issues according to a wider concensus of people.
What fucking stupid logic is that? There's racism against Indians because they are nerds and don't play American games?? You're literally just finding reasons to justify that racism. Please leave this conversation for actual adults.
No, its because they're useless nerds, because legit smart nerds would fix India
TLDR.
There are two reasons people hate Indians.
1) hothouse cram school Asian culture that has proven to be a failure.
Asia has way lower gdp per capita (and not just China, the ones that have been capitalist a long time). OECD highest suicide rate. Apocalypse level TFR. Basically, Asian failed modernity.
At an aesthetic level, Vivek tweet example of worst thing to adopt as your elite culture.
2) India isn’t even East Asia.
India has average iq of 76. At least East Asians are high iq.
Canada, uk, and Australia all imported infinite paneers the last decade and turns out quantity up = quality down. Talent stack isn’t deep enough.
India is caste society with low social trust and high corruption. Importing that bad for society and bad for the Indian immigrant brand.
Indians west today would be smart to pull up ladder behind them.
Shut the fuck up my guy
There is no proof whatsoever of this silly quantity up quality down rhetoric. Immigrants has in general been the demographic least likely to do crimes and more likely to hold jobs compared to both natives in the country they immigrated to and the country they came from because immigration is a massive personality barrier, you have to be either really desperate to immigrate and hence more likely to not do anything that can jeopardize your immigration status or be very ambitious and possess the corresponding work ethic. Complaining about legal immigrations has always been nativist copium
Indians are not remotely as smart as East Asians. The smartest East Asians never come to America. They start their own companies in East Asia.
Yet, Indians are smart enough to be holding all the top tier jobs in the US.
1. Those are exceptions
2. America is a white built nation with some black involvement in the cultural parts. Indians have no hand in it. They're just immigrants reaping off the benefits of things already made. Those jobs that Indians work in were made by whites. Obviously they can get white people to do those same jobs but whites don't want to work as indentured paid workers. You benefit from black people too who started the civil rights act of 1965 that allowed Indians to migrate to America as well. You were not involved in the technological, political nor social reforms of American society. When Indians can make a nation and sustain it like white people in white nations or East Asians in East Asia do. Then you can claim to be legit smart people.
Because Indians suck. India a superpower? Perhaps in rape.
Indians hatred is honestly multilayered and it might be messed up but based on a analysis that I've seen from different sections of society. Indians seem to have a lot of bad stereotypes put together but rarely any good stereotypes that give them a distinction compared to others. Lets break it down, also people subconsciously know this and this is what messes Indians up
1. Indians are dark skin people, I would say they're the darkest people in the world next to black Africans and tribal people from Papua New Guinea. Dark skin is virtually viewed as unattractive all across the world. Yes some Indians can have pale skin, for example Nikki Haley is Indian and has pale skin but those are a 1% exception to the rule. I have seen more Middle Easterners and Latinos with pale skin than Indians from India. This benefits middle easterners because many negative stereotypes like misogyny is associated with middle easterners but they don't get remotely as much street hatred. Even after 2001, way more Indians were attacked being mistaken for middle easterners than middle easterners themselves.
2. Indian pagan culture, the western world and other worlds like the Islamic and even atheist Buddhist eastern world all think of pagan culture has backward and counterproductive. Even though Buddhism came from India. It was pushed out of India due to it being more equal rights centered as opposed to caste built Hindu culture. Many people did not like Vivek Ramaswamy for not just being very dark skin but also being a pagan Hindu. The voters mentioned all of this
3. Hygiene and average road stereotypes, prior to the 1990s, people had more positive views of India thanks to Bollywood movies. They saw a paler skinned Caucasian group of people dancing with Indian traditional clothes on in large open valleys and trees on their movie screens across the world excluding America that never liked Bollywood to begin with. However due to social media, the average Indian is now seen as a very dark skin, ungroomed, poor and poorly dressed, rapist predators. All of the rape cases of local women and even some foreign women being amplified by the western media. Add this with average street food videos of people with terrible hygiene and just making unappealing types of food and posting them online. Also Indians in America and even Canada have stereotypes of bad odor and not wearing deodorant. Indian women also get these hygiene issues stereotypes. Also Indians bathing in the sewer infested Ganges river does not help.
4. Scam culture, Indian scammers make up 80% of all worldwide scammers. Even people who visit India are in awe of everybody scamming from the most deprived homeless person all the way to governments in power. You can literally start your recording in any town in India and you would tons of very dark skin, ungroomed Indian scammers who wobble their heads and try to rip people off. Also Indians are also bringing their scam culture to the west too. Most of the world whether the west, East Asia, even Latin America and Africa have some levels of trust on the local level to get the job done but India literally has scams from every person to every alley way there.
5. Indian arrogance, I have never seen a nationality more filled with arrogance but with nothing to show for it than Indians. They will brag about the most mediocre things. So many Indians brag about Indian CEOs in America who are peanut level indentured servants to the real bosses in those companies. They brag about being CEOs in white made companies. They know how to talk through their heads like Vivek Ramaswamy does. Indians sure have a skill of taking words and twisting them to suit their objectives. If Indians were so smart we Indians claim they are. Then India would not be in such a terrible shape. Indians blame Indian politicians but those politicians according to many far right racial groups and even Winston Churchill are considered your genetic fabric. Winston Churchill even said that if you give power to Indians, they will talk through the roof like castles in the sky but show no results.
6. Indian population, Indians are the largest population in the world with the most polluted cities and tons of unemployment. This causes Indians to move out of India or at least try and generally speaking, the largest population of people will always be the most hated especially when they have nothing concrete or useful to offer.
7. Indian athleticism and bodies, Indians especially Hindus due to their lack of protein diets have stalled their full potential. America and the west are fitness or sports based cultures. People do not consider cricket as a legit sport. We have tons of Indians in America and even other western lands. You never find them in the NBA, NFL or even UFC and boxing. Even in the UK, despite Indians being generational, none are in football or boxing. You do find plenty of Pakistanis who border India in boxing like Adam Azim or Hamzah Sheeraz. Even during British rule in India, the British generally seperated Indian groups between martial races and sedentary lazy races. The British considered the Sikh Punjabis as generally the most physically able people in India at the time, which isn't saying much on a global stage.
8. Indian women, generally speaking, Indian women are not desired. You can just watch any "Which race would you not date" video, men tend to say no to Indian women all the time from many different races and nationalities. Richard Nixon even called Indian women as the most undesirable group of women and it was easy to be racist towards Indians because he did not find Indian women or Indians in general as attractive people. Richard Nixon even said "black African women aren't attractive but they have virility that Indian women lack". Its basically saying black women have curvy bodies and toned looks to them in general. People tend to be nicer to groups who have better looking women.
Overall Indians need put effort into eating more protein and also contributing back to India.
Indians mediocrity added with no substance and dark skin is the reason why Indians are hated in general.
7. Indian athleticism,
Actually a good chunk of anti Indian hatred stems from Hindu pagan culture that promotes paganism and uncleanliness. Also Indians don't have any special or cool stereotypes to counter the bad ones. You claim India is a rising superpower. Nobody thinks this, they're overpopulated, China actually is the real rising superpower, just look at Shanghai and compare it to New Delhi for proof.
East Asians or Asians in general were never hated. They were just seen as feminine and physically weak or unathletic in the western media. They still are to an extent but they have many positive stereotypes like being legit smart and building world class infrastructure, also things like PlayStation, Toyota, Honda, anime, Samsung and Chinese food are popular in the west. Even martial arts is liked by many in the west.
Blacks are the opposite, but they're liked for their athletic and musical abilities
Yes, East Asians were hated and faced extreme amount of racism during Covid. A lot of East Asians were brutally attacked during that period.
East Asians hatred stems from the COVID incident though but without any media or current issues pertaining to them. East Asians were never attacked as a whole. Even the Japanese internment camps were due to world war 2. However Indian hatred extends from nothing direct that has affected American society. Indians did not spread a virus. Indians were not at war with the west for anything. There is not concrete reason to hate Indians. The only possible explanation would be either that Indians are cheap labour taking American jobs or Indian culture is too foreign and different. A third option is obviously skin tone and Indians being basically dark skin and many times borderline black with straight hair. However in times of political cooperation and no outside influences. East Asians are liked and respected then for their culture, technology and life. They are stereotyped as introverted, not as physically athletic and many other stereotypes in relating to effemimacy, but they have never been historically hated without a reason. Many Twitter post said that they would accept 20,000 illegal Mexicans over 100 educated legal Indians any day.
No. But…. Canada didn’t need 10 million in a decade.
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Have you heard oof black people
Black people might not be liked by the far right sometimes but I have seen way more sympathy for blacks and even tolerance for blacks by the far right. You have to remember that blacks have stronger physical bodies on average compared to white people. Many whites know this by nature. When I say strong, I mean athlethic. Also black music dominates western airwaves. Black actors are liked across the world. Blacks are just not like for skin tone and facial features but they're heavily admired for their stronger bodies and dancing skills. Indians excluding the pale skin very small minority like Nikki Haley are generally as dark as black people but physically not as strong. Most people would say "Okay fine, Indians are dark skin and physically weaker, but at least they have a superpower country and a well developed civilization that is admired, wrong, India in terms of development is even worse than Africa. There is filth and hygiene issues across India and social media puts this center forward. A high civilization would be like Japan who produce great games, cars and shows. Indians are just stereotyped in the west as taking jobs for a cheaper price but giving no actual concrete contribution to the west in the fields of invention, culture, sports or music.
Trust me, Indian women being conventionally unattractive and prude is an add on to Indian hate. Mindy Kaling is not desired. She is loathed and seen as desperate. Same goes for Lily Singh. She is not seen as attractive either. Its really hard to make dark skin, hairy and rugged features seem feminine. Also aging bad is an issue for Indian women. Even Richard Nixon was the president of America had negative things to say about them. Now add this with bad hygiene and a odd culture.